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Karen123456
Senior Member
Malaysia English
- Feb 26, 2011
- #1
Is it OK to write Mr ABC below the signature in a letter or end an email with Mr ABC?
Is it OK to write Miss/Mrs next to a woman's name below the signature in a letter or an email?
Thanks.
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sdgraham
Senior Member
Oregon, USA
USA English
- Feb 26, 2011
- #2
1. If it's the name of the person sending the missive.
2. If so and that's the preference of the sender.
3. If the courtesy title is appropriate to the sender.
And finally
4. If the sender is female.
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Rover_KE
Senior Member
Northwest England - near Blackburn, Lancashire
British English
- Feb 26, 2011
- #3
Yes, it is.
Under your signature, say Karen Upminster you could write KAREN UPMINSTER (Mrs) or (Miss) or (Ms).
In an email, of course, you don't sign your name, just type it. You can add one of the titles above if you wish.
Rover
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Rover_KE
Senior Member
Northwest England - near Blackburn, Lancashire
British English
- Feb 26, 2011
- #4
Below my own signature I always write KEVIN ECCLES or K ECCLES (Mr).
(Not my real name.)
Rover
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Karen123456
Senior Member
Malaysia English
- Feb 26, 2011
- #5
Thanks to both you.
sdgraham
Senior Member
Oregon, USA
USA English
- Feb 26, 2011
- #6
The answer is precisely the same as those to your question about female courtesy titles except for the gender thereof.
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Karen123456
Senior Member
Malaysia English
- Feb 26, 2011
- #7
Thanks, Sdgraham.
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Parla
Member Emeritus
New York City
English - US
- Feb 26, 2011
- #8
I would never use any honorific either before or after my signature to an e-mail or a letter; I believe such titles are properly reserved for addressing others.
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Egmont
Senior Member
Massachusetts, U.S.
English - U.S.
- Feb 26, 2011
- #9
The main purpose of adding this to one's name below the signature is to guide the reader in addressing a reply properly.
For example, if one is named Robin, Leslie, or any of the other names that can belong to either men or women, one might add (Mr.) after one's name so that the recipient can write to "Mr. Robin Smith" rather than "Ms., Miss, or Mrs. Robin Smith" as the case may be.
The same would apply if one has a name that is generally used for the other sex. News correspondent Hank Phillipi Ryan (a woman) comes to mind, as does the Johnny Cash song "A Boy Named Sue."
This would also apply if the letter is signed with initials rather than a full name.
Another reason might be to call attention to a doctoral degree. Again, the reason is to permit a reader to address a reply properly to "Dr. Egmont" rather than "Mr. Egmont" - though a bit of pride might figure into it as well. In that case, though, I'd probably write "Egmont, Ph.D." under my name rather than "Dr. Egmont" or "Egmont (Dr.)."
In military correspondence, I think it's the practice to indicate one's rank before the name, though the format varies. Something along the lines of "Capt. Egmont," or "Egmont, Captain, USN" is expected. Here, it's not so much a case of guiding the reader in a reply as it is to clarify where the reader stands relative to the writer in the chain of command.
As for titles of nobility, religious titles, etc., etc. - I don't know!
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Parla
Member Emeritus
New York City
English - US
- Feb 26, 2011
- #10
I could swear I saw this same question in another recent thread. Maybe I've imagined it. In any event: I would never use an honorific with a signature. In my opinion, such titles are properly reserved for addresses to others.
panjandrum
Senior Member
Belfast, Ireland
English-Ireland (top end)
- Feb 26, 2011
- #11
Parla said:
I could swear I saw this same question in another recent thread. Maybe I've imagined it. In any event: I would never use an honorific with a signature. In my opinion, such titles are properly reserved for addresses to others.
Yes, but this is not a case of using the honorific as part of the name:
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Ms Karen Upminster << Not good.
It is, or used to be, common practice for women to close a letter as Karen and Rover have indicated:
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Karen Upminster (Ms) << Good.
It is, or was, a courtesy to the recipient who then knows how to address the reply.
MuttQuad
Senior Member
New York, NY
English - AmE
- Feb 26, 2011
- #12
Parla said:
I could swear I saw this same question in another recent thread. Maybe I've imagined it. In any event: I would never use an honorific with a signature. In my opinion, such titles are properly reserved for addresses to others.
They normally are, but a respondent is put at a tremendous disadvantage when receiving a message signed with initials or a name that is sexually ambiguous.
In business, I always found it a very helpful courtesy iof someone writing to me, in cases where sex wasn't obvious, would provide a clue so that a proper honorific could be used in a reply.
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Parla
Member Emeritus
New York City
English - US
- Feb 27, 2011
- #13
MuttQuad said:
. . . a respondent is put at a tremendous disadvantage when receiving a message signed with initials or a name that is sexually ambiguous.
In business, I always found it a very helpful courtesy if someone writing to me, in cases where sex wasn't obvious, would provide a clue so that a proper honorific could be used in a reply.
For many years, in the rare instances when I've needed to address someone on business whose gender was for some reason unknown to me, I (and many of my colleagues, among whom this question has been discussed) have simply used the person's full name, e.g., "Dear Lee Smith:" or "Dear U.R. Smith:".
natkretep
Moderato con anima (English Only)
Singapore
English (Singapore/UK), basic Chinese
- Feb 27, 2011
- #14
I sometimes receive email messages from people with, say, Chinese names where the gender is not obvious. I like the traditional way of indicating the title in brackets after the name.
Qichen Li (Ms)
Traditionally, if the title was not included, it was assumed that the appropriate title was Mr. These days, we cannot make that assumption.
In the absence of a title provided, and I needed to write to this person, I tend to write
Dear Mr/Ms Li
Parla (above) gives another way of getting around the difficulty.
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